"Self-cherishing, that's by nature," he said (by which I assumed he meant it's "natural"). "Without that, we human beings become like robots, no feeling. But now, practice for development of concern for well-being of others, that actually is immense benefit to oneself." A light went off in my head. "It seems like you're saying that there is a self-interested, or selfish, case for being compassionate?" "Yes. Practice of compassion is ultimately benefit to you. So I usually describe: we are selfish, but be wise selfish rather than foolish selfish."