"In terms of the peripherals, the attitude of do-it-yourself, that kind of thing, not being a remote rock star and having layers of management and record labels and all that--instead, booking your own shows, doing your own publicity if necessary. Not everything has to be so home industry, but being willing to do whatever is necessary and not considering one's self remote, dealing with the guy at the distributor and respecting people for the job that they're doing, not thinking they should conform to some narrow aspect. "I think," Ginn concludes, "Black Flag promoted the idea of just jumping off the ledge and doing it."