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aefaa82 Anyone want to help me start PAPA, Parents for Alternatives to Punishment Association? (There is already a group in England called 'EPPOCH' for end physical punishment of children.) In Kohn's other great book Beyond Discipline: From Compliance to Community, he explains how all punishments, even the sneaky, repackaged, "nice" punishments called logical or natural consequences, destroy any respectful, loving relationship between adult and chi.. Kelly Bryson